Subject: Re: WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO GOD 1 In article <4map30$3lk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, ahmedokla@aol.com (AHMED OKLA) wrote in "Subject: Re: WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO GOD 1": ... big snip ... | The 23rd "dot" is on the "NuN' of "NASTAEEN". We declare that from GOD | alone "we" ask for help. Again, we are committing ourselves to a | declaration and we better, for our own good, stick by it. | Note that 23 is 19 written in base 8. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is incredible. That is THE MOST BESTEST method "you" have come up with so far [I know this is wrong grammar, but normal language cannot adequately describe this and distorted methods need the powers of tortured language]. Guess what? If you allow other number systems and can choose whatever base you like (nearly) EVERY number looks like 19. Let me give you a few examples: How to make 18 look like 19? In our usual decimal system, 18 means that we have 8 1's (units) and 1 10's (10 units), 73 means that we have 3 1's and 7 10's. Now, in the same way interpret 18 to be written in base 11 (meaning that the first digit signifies how many 11's you have and the last digit how many 1's and MIRACLE of miracles: '18' means 1 x 11 + 8 x 1 = 19 !!! Now, these things can always be done in two directions. I can take the number I am given, imagine it to be in a different number system and calculate its "real" decimal value by the above method. Or, going the other way around, I can take the number as decimal and think, how would it look like in another number system of an appropriate base? So, since we had 73 above, let us look how we can transform it into a number that looks like '19'. Nothing more easy than that: We need 9 units as the last digit, 73 - 9 = 64, so '64' is our base for the new system, and written in base 64, our number 73 becomes '19' = 1 x 64 + 9 x 1 = 73 Hurray, Halleluja, Ameen, a miracle. And though I had chosen my number 73 just randomly without planning ahead, this was for sure divine guidance, since the "right" base for it was 64 which is 8 squared [the base YOU had chosen before] or 2^6 [2 to the power 6] and who would deny that prime powers like 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 do have some mystery about them? If any number is divine, those should be, don't you think so? With the first method, though not all but a LOT of numbers can be transformed into "19", with the second method ALL numbers greater than 19 can be transformed into 19. Allowing this method, guess what the probability is for being able to transform any number into "19"? Right, it is ONE, because out of infinitely many numbers only a small finite number of them is not transformable into 19, all others are. Yet another of these smoke screens is hopefully cleared away. Yes, we have to submit to God. But we do not have to be gullible. And I would recommend that some of the "19er" should submit not only to God, but also should submit themselves in a rigorous course on number theory and on statistics. That might just bring about a miraculous transformation in their world view. With arithmetical greetings, Jochen Katz Web Site "Christian Answers to Islam": jkatz@math.gatech.edu http://www.math.gatech.edu/~jkatz/Islam/ P.S. I already showed that all numbers of 18 and greater can be made to look like '19'. So, this sparked my curiosity as to which numbers are NOT able to be transformed to 19 by this method. Let us look at all numbers from 1-17 then (and a few more): Number Value in decimal system | Appearance in system of base [b] 1 no luck 2 no luck 3 no luck 4 no luck 5 no luck 6 no luck 7 no luck 8 no luck 9 no luck 10: 19 | 10 [19] 11: 19 | 11 [18] 12: 19 | 12 [17] 13: 19 | 13 [16] 14: 19 | 14 [15] 15: 19 | 15 [14] 16: 19 | 16 [13] 17: 19 | 17 [12] 18: 19 | 18 [11] 19: 19 | 19 [10] the turning point 20: 20 | 19 [11] 21: 21 | 19 [12] or 21: 19 | 21 [9] 22: 22 | 19 [13] 23: 19 | 23 [8] or 23: 23 | 19 [14] 24: 24 | 19 [15] 25: 25 | 19 [16] or 25: 19 | 25 [7] 30: 30 | 19 [21] 31: 31 | 19 [22] or 31: 19 | 31 [6] and if you were able to follow this, then you should be an expert in doing miracles by now ... Summary: ONLY the single digit numbers cannot be connected to '19' by any of these two methods. ALL other numbers are mystically related to 19. But hey, WHO told us that we have to involve only two number systems? We can accomodate some more numbers if we allow transformations like the following, which is basically still the same method: Let us see: We have seen above that 21 [10] = 19 [12] but 12 [3] = 9 [10] = 9 [10] and 21 to be read as 21 [9] = 19 [10] WOW!!! Do you know how many miracles are embedded in this? 21 is 19 in base 12, and not only are 12 and 21 mirror images of each other but the greatest common divisor of 21 (3x7) and 12 (3x4) is 3. So, it is natural to consider taking now 12 in base 3 which turns out to be 9 in base 10 [remember, we wanted to establish a connection between 9 and 19 which we have done now, but the connection goes on in a second way since] taking our starting point of 21 in base 10 and reading it to be in base 9 we find that again it is 19 !!! Equal symbols from one line to the next are written one above the other as to show the intimate connection. And in the last column, as we see, 9 comes out to be on top of 19. Using the following notation for 19 [12] and 12 [3] = 9 [10] as a double step transformation we could say: 19 [12 [3]] = 9 [10] which is very deep. I mean who but God can design relationship between numbers that involve two layers of tranformations? I am convinced, with some ingenuity, I can transform the other single digits into 19 too. :-) Trust me! And: This is actually fun. But I wouldn't base my faith and eternal destination on any of this.

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