Seir means Jesus? - An exercise in Muslim Geography
Al-Kadhi claims in section 6.10 that "Seir is a
reference to Jesus."
This is not a new suggestion. Yaqut made this
association of Seir with Jesus already in the early 13th century
when his entry on Faran contains the interpretation that "and dawned
from Saa`iir [Seir]" refers to "His sending down of the Injiil upon
However, al-Kadhi might have realized that Yaqut did not give any
factual evidence for this opinion. Therefore he tries to do better
and ends up doing worse. Having a wrong opinion is one thing,
ascribing one's own false statements to a Bible dictionary is
another. Let us examine how al-Kadhi constructs his claims:
Seir is a reference to Jesus (pbuh). It is usually associated
with the chain of mountains West and South of the Dead Sea
extending through Jerusalem, and Bethlehem, the birthplace of
Jesus (pbuh). It was later extended to include the mountains
on the East side as well (Dictionary of the Bible, John L.
McKenzie, S.J., p. 783).
Al-Kadhi's does not indicate very clearly what is his personal opinion
and which statement is the quotation from John McKenzie's Dictionary
of the Bible. In the following we give the complete citation:
Seir (Hb se'ir), a geographical name; Seir is associated with
Esau and Edom and the association is expressed on a play on the
words se'ar, "goat," and sa'ir, "hairy," in Gn 25:25; 27:11, 23.
The name appears as a designation of a land, of a mountain, and
as a gentilic. There is no doubt that the mountain is the chain
which extends SW of the Dead Sea along the W side of the Arabah,
rising to an average height of 5000 ft. The name was later
extended to the corresponding mountain chain on the E side of
the Arabah. As a territorial designation of the term it is used
more loosely of the region adjacent to the mountain chain,
substantially identical with the territory of Edom. In tradition
the Horites were the pre-Edomite inhabitants of the region
(Gn 14:6; 36:30). The eponymous ancestor Seir the Horite (Gn 36:20f;
1 Ch 1:38) is a good example of the personification of a geographical
name into the ancestor of the clans who dwell there. Israelite
tradition itself recognized that the claim of Edom to Seir and
its settlement there were older than its own claim to Canaan.
It was the region of Esau the brother of Jacob (Gn 32:4; 33:14,16;
36:8f; Nm 24:18; Dt 2:4ff; Jos 24:4). Dt 1:44 places the land of
Seir S of the hill country of the Amorites beginning in the
neighborhood of Hormah, which is not itself precisely located.
It lay between Horeb and Kadesh-barnea (Dt 1:2); this tradition
is some help in locating these two points. The Israelites passed
around Mt Seir to the S to avoid encroaching on Edomite territory
(Dt 2:1-5). An isolated traditon in 1 Ch 4:42 relates that the
clans of Simeon settled in Mt Seir. The mountain becomes a loose
designation of its inhabitants as "the men of Seir or Mt Seir"
(2 Ch 20:10, 22f; 25:11, 14); these must be the Edomites.
Ezk 35 contains an oracle against Mt Seir (contrasted with the
mountains of Israel, which are blessed in 36), alluding to the
plundering of Judahite territory by Edom after the fall of
Jerusalem in 587 BC. Yahweh twice comes from Seir in a theophany
(Dt 33:2; Jgs 5:4); this probably means merely the S, the region
of the theophanies of Sinai and Kadesh-barnea. It is probable
that the name first belonged to the mountain and was extended
to the region. The frequent use of the name indicates that it
was a much older designation of the region than the settlement
of Edom." (John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible,
Let us now take al-Kadhi's statements piece by piece, and see if
they in any way are backed up by his claimed reference.
"Seir is a reference to Jesus (pbuh)" is clearly not found in
the above dictionary entry. It is al-Kadhi's hypothesis which
he seeks to support. For this purpose he claims,
It is usually associated with the chain of mountains West and
South of the Dead Sea extending through Jerusalem, and Bethlehem,
the birthplace of Jesus (pbuh).
This is a clear misrepresentation of the dictionary entry, which
There is no doubt that the mountain is the chain which extends
SW of the Dead Sea along the W side of the Arabah ...
This image from a Biblical geography map clearly shows that the
Arabah is only to the South of the Dead Sea. So, according to
McKenzie this mountain range extends from the South West corner
of the Dead Sea towards the South not to the North up to
Jerusalem as al-Kadhi claims. Nowhere does McKenzie suggest
that Seir extends along the West side of the Dead Sea.
It was later extended to include the mountains on the East side
as well (Dictionary of the Bible, John L. McKenzie, S.J., p. 783).
The above later sentence is the only part which has some similarity
to the claimed reference which reads,
The name was later extended to the corresponding mountain chain
on the E side of the Arabah. As a territorial designation
of the term it is used more loosely of the region adjacent to the
mountain chain, substantially identical with the territory of Edom.
Al-Kadhi seems to think that wresting some words from one sentence
in a dictionary is enough to legitimately cite this dictionary as
an authentication for his claims. It is obvious that he is
deliberately distorting this quotation. In the dictionary we
read that the name is extended to the mountains on the East side
of the Arabah. In the way Al-Kadhi arranges the words, he makes
it to mean the mountains on the East side of the Dead Sea.
This is completely wrong. Although his remark about the East
side is irrelevant for his own hypothesis which seeks to connect
Seir with Bethlehem (located North West of the Dead Sea),
it is included to be able to claim McKenzie as a reference, since
these are the only words taken from this dictionary. The
very next statement by McKenzie makes this situation even worse
for al-Kadhi, because it unambiguously states that Seir is
"substantially identical with the territory of Edom." Edom never
included Bethlehm or Jerusalem. We leave it to the reader to
evaluate the intellectual integrity of al-Kadhi's approach to
Interestingly, careful attention to McKenzie's dictionary entry
exposes in al-Kadhi's above paragraph not only a geographical
misquotation but also an exegetical error.
Al-Kadhi was not done with his discussion of Seir after the quotation
we have discussed abpve. He brings further "witnesses":
However, Seir is also identified with the Northern border of
the tribal territory of Judah and usually with Saris near Kesla
(Chesalon), barely nine miles West of these two cities
(The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, by Allen C. Myers, pp. 921-922,
and The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, V4, p. 262)
This is yet again a misquotation, since the text in The Eerdmans
Bible Dictionary states:
1. Mt. Seir, the central mountain range of Edom, [...]
Seir rises steeply from the eastern side of the Arabah from
the Gulf of Aqabah in the south to the Wâdi el-Hesa (Zered),
southeast of the Dead Sea, in the north. [...] Because of [...],
some scholars suggest that Seir could also designate an area
on the western side of the Arabah across from Seir proper
(cf. Num. 20:23; Deut. 1:44).
2. A mountain on the northern border of the tribal
territory of Judah (Josh. 15:10; possibly mentioned at Deut. 1:44;
1 Chr. 4:42). It is usually identified with modern Saris, ca. 4 km.
(2.5 mi.) southwest of Kiriath-jearim and 14.5 km. (9 mi.) west of
Overlooking the statements in the main entry, al-Kadhi this time
picked out a few words from 2. for the purpose of misquotation.
Myers statement "A mountain on the northern border of the tribal
territory of Judah" is transformed by him into "Seir is also identified
with the Northern border of the tribal territory of Judah" in the
obvious attempt to enlarge the extent of this mountain and hence the
impact for the argument of identifying it somehow with Bethlehem.
Even though he does not say so explicitly, the way al-Kadhi arranges
the flow of his argument formulating
Seir ... is usually associated with the chain of mountains West
and South of the Dead Sea extending through Jerusalem, and
Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus ... Seir is also identified
with the Northern border of the tribal territory of Judah and
usually with Saris near Kesla (Chesalon), barely nine miles
West of these two cities. (emphasis ours)
he clearly wants to create the impression in the mind of the reader
that Seir extends from south of Bethlehem to north of Bethlehem
and, by implication, everything in between. In particular, Bethlehem
is therefore supposedly part of Seir. This is blatantly wrong and
al-Kadhi knows this, since he has read at least the dictionary entries
of McKenzie and Myers which unambiguously state that Seir is on the
territory of Edom not Judah. The fact that there is another mountain
with the same name does hardly justify to connect the two and claim
everything in between is Seir, too. This fallacy to just identify
two different locations with the same name seems to be a favorite
of al-Kadhi and has been discussed already for the case of Paran
(see section 6.4: *, *).
It is obvious why al-Khadi did not quote the first entry of Myers
instead of McKenzie as his main source on Seir. Myers would not even
allow him to go anywhere East of the Dead See which he so much desired.
As an aside, Myers also points out that McKenzie's position that Seir
is east of the Arabah is only held by some scholars and Seir
proper is southeast of the Dead Sea. However, both agree that it is
the territory of Edom which destroys al-Kadhi's case.
I have not seen the entry in The Interpreter's Dictionary of the
Bible, but given the above information and al-Kadhi's track record
of quoting so far, there is little hope that it will say anything else
but confirm the other dictionaries and refute Al-Kadhi's concocted
More examples of al-Kadhi's citation problems
The Rebuttal to "What Did Jesus Really Say?"
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