Responses to Jamal Badawi's "Radio Al-Islam Channel RA 200"

Jesus in Islam VII : The Second Coming of Jesus


In this segment, Dr. Badawi attempts to deny the crucifixion of Jesus. He gives a number of passages from the Qur’an which, when they are considered together, do not provide a consistent account of what happened to Jesus. Once again, I have infinitely greater faith in the accounts of those who followed Jesus than I have in a man who recounted apocryphal tales many centuries later.

Host: Maybe I will ask you to elaborate on that [second Qur'an passage].

Jamal Badawi: There have been two basic opinions that have been given about the meaning of that verse. I begin with the weaker opinion, not a very strong one. It seems that "it" could be a reference to the Qur'an, that the Qur'an, or the coming of the Qur'an, is a sign that the hour is getting close. And of course, close does not mean the next day but in terms of the age of the earth, comparatively, the hour is close. Or he, if we took he instead of it, could refer to Muhammad, that is the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, the seal of all of the Prophets, is a sign that the hour is now close. I agree with Sheik Shatur that his is not a particularly strong opinion , if one checks the context of this passage that is in the Qur'an, probably it is interpreting that to be a reference to the Prophet Jesus. This would be more clear if one reviews verses between for example 57 and 67, that is in Sura 43. Rather than taking too much time reciting these verses. I would just give the essence of what it talks about from passage 57 we find that the Qur'an describes it from what the Qur'an itself praised and mentioned Jesus, the pagan Arabs and the prophet at that time claim that their own gods or goddesses were better than Jesus and the Qur'an and indicated that Jesus was a favorite person or a servant who was favored by Allah and was sent him as a good example to the Israelites it says that if Allah wanted to send angel's instead of human beings he could've done that and then it says in verse 61 and he is a knowledge or a sign for the hour and after that it keeps talking about how the mission of Jesus was and how people differed about the nature of this mission. But we are saying here is the basic mission of that particular verse passage 61 and Sura 43 can be more reasonably interpreted to refer to Jesus as a sign for the hour.

For the sake of argument, we will say that the Qur'an is referring to the return of Jesus in this passage. However, various translators of the Qur'an have translated this passage in a variety of ways:

And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. Sura 43:61 Yusuf Ali

And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. Sura 43:61 Pickthall

And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path. Sura 43:61 Shakir

Then again we explain that it says that Jesus is a sign of the hour if you take that interpretation again they can have slightly different interpretations here not necessarily contradictory the different angles you might said. One that by Jesus raising the people from the dead curing those who are lepers and healing those who are blind was done by the permission of Allah and was a sign press as humans the resurrection is possible and life after death is nothing to be discounted the possibility.

My problem here is that the Qur'an is amazingly brief and very ambiguous on this very important topic. If the Qur'an is the Word of God, why did God spend so much time and space in the Qur'an approving of Muhammad's marriage to his daughter-in-law (Sura 33) and cursing Muhammad's uncle (Sura 111)? Why were the lusts, desires, and family problems of Muhammad more important to God (and more deserving of space in the Qur'an) than providing us with knowledge of the end time?

We can also say that the coming of Jesus is a sign for the coming of the hour because is miraculously birth went beyond the normal material husband and wife relationship is also a sign of the hour that Allah creates whoever he wishes and pertaining to life we should not think it's too far away. This particular opinion the second one is the opinion of a prominent scholar and he says this is more likely because just in the verse are people who admit that there is no hour that there is resurrection and life here after. In his opinion he said it that verse is referring to the second coming of Jesus it doesn't mean much to him because they don't even believe in the day of judgment let alone the is there is resurrection and life here after. In such in his opinion he says that if it is referring to the second coming of Jesus and then it doesn't mean much to him in the day of judgment when alone, the signs of the approaching judgment he says that even if you continue with the verses he said that they have no doubt then that is he's addressing the pagans about the coming of the hour that is a second explanation the third explanation which is the most common among Muslims jurists is that it is possibly the referring to the second coming of the Prophet Jesus at the end of the time and this will herald the approaching of the Day of judgment that is how the second coming of was interpreted.

Interesting. In an earlier discussion you downplayed the significance of the miraculous birth of Jesus, comparing it to the birth of John the Baptist. Now you suggest that it is significant and a sign of the end times! Also, and once again, why is the Qur'an so ambiguous concerning such an important topic as the last hour?

Host: You just explained that passage about the other one what does that one say?

Jamal Badawi: You mean the other one that we mentioned in the previous program there is another passage also which is not a conclusion or direct reference that Jesus coming again or descending again the can be interpreted to refer to that and that is in Sura 4:159 that the cause some problems because it can be interpreted in two different ways using the words but it says and there is none of the people of the book I stop here to clarify that the term people of the book in Qur'an specifically refers to Jews and Christians there is none of the people of the book that must believe in him again him is Jesus before his death and on the day of judgment will be worthless against him.

This verse is yet another example of the ambiguity of the Qur'an there are many different interpretations concerning the meaning of this verse. For more information, please read Contradictory Versions of Surah 4:159 and Observations on Surah an-Nisa' 4:159.

Now the least common interpretation of that verse for passage there is no one of the people of the book except that he will believe in Jesus before his death and his in this case offers to the people of the book. No Jew or Christian will fail to believe correctly that every Jews and Christian before his death will realize that who indeed Jesus really was for example a Jew at his death will realize the he went to for rejecting Jesus and he will realize that at his death he should have realized that Jesus was the Messiah the messenger Allah by the same token the Christian also worship will realize at the time of death that he was not correct in his belief you'll believe in Jesus as a human being a servant and messenger of Allah that is the problem that they should not have deified him.

Unlikely interpretation.

According to one of the earlier interpreters of the Qur'an and traces one of the traditions of what the companions of Mohammed a famous jurist by the name of Mujahid it should be a course clarify here that this belief is too late it is not a very much use because the Qur'an indicates, and according to the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad that is to believe it or to correct one belief when the soul is already leaving the body doesn't really help much because why your life you could still thinking consider the right answer and had a relationship with God including the god of Jesus cannot associate others with him.

I agree, true deathbed conversions are rather rare and, after you are dead, it is too late to repent of anything.

The second interpretation of the words in Arabic is that this refers to Jesus and that all the people of the book meaning Jews and Christians will definitely believe in Jesus as a messenger and Prophet before his death and his death refers to the death of Jesus which would happen after his second coming. It is very interesting because what it really means the death will come to clear the fact that he was a messenger and a Prophet that he was a Prophet of Allah but not divine not the only begotten son of God as some people would like to explain that. But one that takes place there will be no reason for any Jew or Christian because between Muslims and Christians the only major area difference is the deification of Jesus and prophet or God? Of course the Jews rejected them but when they see him come in the miracle of the second coming there will be no reason for them to reject him and there for all people will become Muslims so in that sense of proper believe in Jesus that he was really a messenger and prophet of Allah will take place before the death of Jesus after the second coming to are some great interpreters like Maududi and Sherreri another others.

This is yet another self serving and self exalting tradition attributed to Muhammad. When we read the traditions, we find that Muhammad positioned himself above all of the Prophets including Jesus.

Anas relates that the Prophet said:

"On the Day of Judgement, the believers will be locked up. They will be troubled about this and say, `Let us look to Allah for intercession.' Then they will come to Adam and say to him: `Adam, you are the father of all people. Allah created you with his own hand, placed you in Paradise, has ordered the angels to honour you, and has taught you the names of all things. Be a prayer leader for us by Allah, so that it will be more bearable for us in this place!' But he will say, `I am not authorised to do that.' And he will tell of his sin - that he once asked Allah a foolish question. He will say to them, `Go to Abraham, the friend of Allah.' So they will go to Abraham. He also will say, `I am not authorised to do this.' He will tell them of three lies that he had uttered. `Go,' he will say to them, `to Moses, the servant to whom Allah gave the Torah. Allah spoke to him personally and nourished him through his trustworthy speech.' So they will come to Moses. But he will tell them, `For this I am not authorised.' He will tell of his sin - that he had murdered someone. `Go to Jesus,' he will say to them, `the Servant, Spirit, and Word of Allah.' So they will come to him. Jesus will tell them: `I am not authorised to do this. Go to Muhammad, because Allah forgave him all his sins - the former and latter ones.' So they will eventually come to me. I will ask Allah for permission, and it will be granted me. When I see Allah, I will throw myself to the floor. He will let me lie there as long as he so desires. Then he will say to me: `Muhammad, stand up, speak; then you will be heard. Bring forth your intercession, and it will be accepted...'" (Al-Bukhari, Vol. 5, pp. 210-211; 8, p. 162)

So much for the Muslim argument that they do not need intercession. Please note that this tradition infers that Jesus is sinless, yet Muhammad is a sinner because this tradition clearly says Allah forgave him all his sins - the former and latter ones! This also destroys you earlier argument that the Prophets are sinless [Isma]!

Host: Will the second coming mentions sources other than the Qur'an for example of a sayings of the prophet Mohammed

Jamal Badawi: Well the second coming of the Prophet Jesus has been mentioned in 70 sayings attributed to Muhammad and it is related to a large number of companions some of the sayings mind you to a considered less authentic than others. Some of them are authentic but are still in question being very briefly for the purpose of understanding what we mean by that is that this is a Hadith which is acceptable in those terms in both transmission and in the chain of transmission. We do not find a large group of people narrating the same thing in other words the change narration is someone muted put it does not mean that he should be rejected this means that is sound but it is comparatively less authentic that some of the sayings of the profits related by large number of people and their many chains dealing basically with the same tradition according to the sheik Abu Zara and Sheik Zutuk. They say that even the sayings of a prophet like that even a strong one cannot compulsive for Muslims in other words in other words can say that these are outside the boundaries of Islam. if you have this type of saying of the prophet we have so many similar words but meanings and the Hadith has been repeated from so many sources then than it will be accepted as a source of beliefs Commission and observation here that the second coming of Jesus is really about the knowledge of what will, in other words will happen for example there is no doubt among Muslims that Jesus was a great prophet and messenger but we do reject things said about Jesus that are outside of the bounds of Islam.

Now we have the problem of the authenticity of the traditions and this is an enormous problem for Islam. In spite of the Muslim "science" of Hadith it is very difficult to know which traditions are strong or weak, or even accurate! For example, Bukhari collected over 600,000 reports, but kept only 7,397 as true! To make matters even more confusing, there are contradictions among the "accepted" Hadiths (ikhtilaf al-hadith). There are many hadiths which record conflicting accounts of the same event! This is true of the issues surrounding the "last days".

It is also interesting to note that Bukhari wrote a book about the narrators (Zuafa-us-sagher). What is even more interesting is that Bukhari's book condemns several narrators including: Ata bin abi Maimoona, Ayyub bin Aiz, Ismail bin Aban, Zubair bin Muhammad, At-Tayyimi, Saeed bin Urwa, Abdullah bin Abi Labeed, Abdul Malik bin Ameen, Abdul waris bin Saeed, Ata bin As-Saib bin Yazeed, and Khamsan bin Minhal as unreliable. However, the Hadith-collection of Bukhari in the its modern form actually includes many traditions narrated by these very individuals! Obviously, these traditions, which Bukhari rejected, were inserted in his book following his death.

I do not believe that the Hadith are a good basis upon which I should decide my eternal destiny. Also, and once again, I must ask : why is the Qur'an either silent or ambiguous concerning the "last days"? I would think that God would want us to have this information instead of the a lot of conflicting traditions.

What is the nature of the second coming in with the second coming is not really that decisive as a matter believe it is really more of an unseen leaving this issue of the ability to reject the sayings of the prophet we find that a great scholar named Sheik Zaluu say that some people even if you rejected the saying of the prophet that Jesus is coming back you could interpret symbolically some sayings of the prophet speak about the judge, the Messiah and Antichrist is that some people have interpret that to mean is evil prevalence of evil in conflict which will precede the coming of Jesus and that he says by the same token that the second coming of Jesus is also a symbol of the forces of a good which will eventually have victory over evil but in any case I would say that because of the sheer number of saints attributed about the second coming of Jesus must be treated carefully cannot be discounted with regard as all symbolic references to deposit only that real the descent of Jesus.

Perhaps. However, the traditions speak about a physical Antichrist (Masih ad-Dajjal). In fact, the Hadith even describe his appearance:

Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: I have told you so much about the Dajjal (Antichrist) that I am afraid you may not understand. The Antichrist is short, hen-toed, woolly-haired, one-eyed, an eye-sightless, and neither protruding nor deep-seated. If you are confused about him, know that your Lord is not one-eyed. Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4306

This guy should be fairly easy to spot!

Host: Can with this time as you if you questions about the main content about the Hadith? For example was any indication as to the time of the second coming?

Jamal Badawi: OK of course some people were saying that he will come on such and such a day but we really can't answer that question because of nothing like that in the Qur'an there is no specific date but there are some indications about the approximate time that this would take place. The first indication and several of the Hadith but I am giving you just the gist of what is contained there the Jesus will be sent again for the final judgment because the sayings of the prophet indicate he is will live for a certain period of time and that he will die just like any other prophet before him shortly after that the hour will come the second indicator is that he will come down when there's a great deal of turbulence and corruption on earth and ungodliness spread by the Antichrist and another term for the Antichrist is the false Messiah he will come at a time when Muslims will be the main people standing up to the ungodliness and fighting the Antichrist and his agents. Some examples can be found in Muslim as a prediction

Actually, the Hadith do give us a hint concerning the time:

Narrated Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman:

I asked: What will come next? He replied: Then the Antichrist (Dajjal) will come forth accompanied by a river and fire. He who falls into his fire will certainly receive his reward, and have his load taken off him, but he who falls into his river will have his load retained and his reward taken off him.

I then asked: What will come next? He said: The Last Hour will come.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 35, Number 4232


Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal). Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4281

Host: Something that interests me is where is these is going to descend?

Jamal Badawi: there are some sayings of the prophet which are related by different people like Muslim Abu Dawod but all these are saying is a prophetic sayings especially in some chapters like the first Messiah people descended eastern part of Damascus which is now the capital of Syria one saying says that he will come down on a white tower even specifies a an area where he comes down any even goes on that he will be dressed in linen garments as some other savings of the prophet in Abu Dawod there is even a description of Jesus it says that he will be of medium height ruddy to fair complexion that is reddish and fair that the hair of his head will appear as if water could trickle down from it even though it is not wet.

Host: Let us take that one step further is there any particular time of day that he will descend?

Jamal Badawi: we find mention in more than one saying about the specify that is why we cannot discount this in Muslim for example tradition or Hadith we find a description that he will be coming down at dawn at the time when Muslims perform the first prayer and it says that he will descend in the midst of the Muslim crowd which is getting ready to fight the false Messiah and his legion. With the description that says specifically that the Muslim armies behind leaders are lining up to begin their first congregation of prayer the fight Jesus is coming into their midst and that it says that the Leader of the Muslim army as a courtesy will step back and invite Jesus to lead a prayer according to the narration in this Hadith it says that Jesus will decline to leave the prayer and pray behind them and say that your leader should be among you at this is very important because that is also a symbol of him saying that I'm not coming is a new prophet I'm not coming to supersede the last messenger completed to the prophet Muhammad I am a follower of Islam like Muhammad and all the other profits that is by accepting to pray according to the last revelation this passage is supported in another sign to which the profit says I was quick to translation the prophet was telling his companions have honoring you will they when Jesus will descend from heaven among the you and the want to lead the congregation's will be from Allah to you be a great honor for those who called a last days but even Jesus the messenger of Allah will ask the Muslim leader to lead the prayer.

These statements give even greater support to Anwar Shaikh's thesis that Islam is no more than Arab nationalism and imperialism.

Host: Let's go on and discuss what happens after that.

Jamal Badawi: In the same saying as well as in others also perhaps it says that Jesus will join the Muslim army fighting the Antichrist or false Messiah, it says that when the Antichrist, the false Messiah Interesting enough is that one of the sayings it says that when the Antichrist sees Jesus, he will start to dissolve like the salt as it dissolves in the water and Jesus will ... towards him and he slays him and the army that continues to support the false Messiah will perish and none will be left from his army or legions. In fact there are some that say and you will be surprised, it specifies the place where Jesus will overtake the Antichrist and his army he will overtake him at the place called Leeft, which is presently about 13km south east of Tel Aviv, occupied Palestine which is also the site of major airports in occupied Palestine. And in one tradition, one says that Jesus will go to the Kabah, the holy shrine that was built by the Prophet Abraham, perhaps on his way to Medina in a place called Rafat, he encamps there, but continues to Mecca where he goes around the Kabah.

It is also interesting to note that the Hadith say that there will be many other Antichrists.

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Last Hour will not come before there come forth thirty Dajjals (fraudulents), everyone presuming himself that he is an apostle of Allah. Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4319

Arsahd Jinesh: What other things will he do while on earth?

Jamal Badawi: There are more than one saying of the prophet indicates that when Jesus comes down that there will be an abundance of wealth at that time. Once saying interesting enough is that he will break the cross and kill the pig. Why break the cross and kill the pig? In my understanding, it says that since the cross has been adopted as a symbol of something that Jesus did not teach according to the Qur'an, the Israelites take the cross as a symbol of ignominious and sinfulness and death because according the book of Deuteronomy that a false prophet is supposed to be killed so they take the cross as a symbol to prove. On the other hand, there are people who deified Jesus actually it was a symbol of what later on took on the sins of the world and that was related somehow to Jesus forgetting that he repeated my Lord and your Lord. The symbolism here is that he was only a prophet a messenger of Allah and they deified him against his will. Killing the pig, and I think about that also is symbol once again about the deviation from the law and I cannot destroy the prophets that is another thing he was against the legalism and formalism but also they destroyed the prophets and their eating the pig meat was forbidden in the Torah and Jesus never said you could eat it to his disciples. Apparently it is a reference to restore the original teaching and revelation that came before him and that he was sent to confirm.

It is amazing how Muhammad took the Christian concepts of the Antichrist and the Second Coming of Jesus, and twisted them to fit his agenda.

Hamad Rashid: I wished that we had more time to explore that this is an interesting point for many of our viewers.

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